Here’s a pretty great insight (so says me) by costumeoff in the comments to the recent piece entitled “Once More with the Fellowship of Friends“:
The true enlightenment is not necessarily the state of illumination but how that knowledge and moment then informs your choices and actions thereafter. You could say that people who get hooked on psychoactive substances are confusing the map for the terrain just as much as any willing victim of dogma, and think those moments of personal insight are more important than what they do with them, until they aren’t capable of dealing with the responsibility which that knowledge charges them.
There’s so much we could discuss with regards to consciousness altering substances, enlightenment and the like from just this one quote. Where I want to take it though, stems from juxtaposing it with a few thoughts Ted Heistman put forth in the comments to a related recent essay:
I know you are familiar with Robert Anton Wilson, what do you think about a person with a fully active neuro-somatic circuit attracting followers?
That kind of thing must be behind at least some of all these so-called cults. Definitely behind all the cults that became world religions.
They can’t all be con artists...
For those not already familiar with the neuro-mystic musings of the late Bob Wilson, you might want to take a look at the Wilson/Leary 8-Circuit Model of Consciousness, taken from Wilson’s Cosmic Trigger.
The 8-Circuit Model of Consciousness and Cult Feedback
The neuro-somatic circuit is the fifth circuit of consciousness in the Leary-Wilson model, beyond bio-survival, emotional, dexterity-symbolic, and social-sexual circuits, which most of us flit between throughout our daily (and entire) lives.
As Wilson describes in Cosmic Trigger, the neuro-somatic circuit corresponds to:
The transcendence of gravitational, digital, linear, either-or, Aristotelian, Newtonian, Euclidean, planetary orientations (circuits I-IV)…
He also describes the associated sensations of this type of consciousness:
When this fifth “body-brain” is activated, flat Euclidean figure-ground configurations explode multi-dimensionally. Gestalts shift, in McLuhan’s terms, from linear VISUAL SPACE to all-encompassing SENSORY SPACE. A hedonic turn-on occurs, a rapturous amusement, a detachment from the previously compulsive mechanism of the first four circuits.
Wilson adds that he personally triggered this “circuit” via pot and tantra, for what that’s worth to you.
Okay, so back to the question at hand:
… what do you think about a person with a fully active neuro-somatic circuit attracting followers?
That kind of thing must be behind at least some of all these so-called cults. Definitely behind all the cults that became world religions.
What do I think of someone with a fully active neuro-somatic circuit attracting followers? Well, I should think that it would only be natural. Aren’t we attracted to people who are positive and energetic? And, provided what they say doesn’t butt against our own mechanically-conditioned thoughts and behaviors too severely, don’t we tend to find such folks charming and great to be around? Why wouldn’t people naturally be drawn to individuals who seem to be operating from a freer, more open and, relatively speaking, “higher place” than they do?
Now whether the group that forms around such a person becomes a movement, a community, a “cult” or anything more than a tribe of friends with a relatively benign alpha at its center, a tribe destined to die out with its root members, could depend on all sorts of factors. Not least of these factors would be the dynamic between the fifth (sixth, seventh, or eighth)- circuit activated individual and the people gathered around hir. What’s the primary circuit upon which the majority of the would-be followers/disciples/friends/tribesfolk operate? What intentions, needs, weaknesses and strengths do they bring to the table? And how do their intentions and needs influence this “higher”-circuit individual? How does that influence translate into hir thoughts and actions in relation to hirself and in relation to the masses attracted to hir? And the other side of this equation also comes into play. Aside from the circuit this “higher” individual operates upon, what are hir intentions, needs, weaknesses and strengths? How do these influence those around hir?
It’s a feedback loop.
Another question quickly emerges. At what energetic level does the loop settle? And from where does the energy come to keep the loop from depleting itself completely? If it is coming from the disciples, then the leader likely becomes a vampire. If it comes from the leader hirself, then she will be depleted, leached upon. Should that happens, the leader may end up assuming the role of vampire for sheer self-preservation. The leader may weed out certain followers here and there or, like Rajneesh/Osho (and his is by no means a unique case), create an “insider group” as a buffer between hir and the more needy followers. This often marks the beginning of the leader’s corruption and fall. It depends on how this separation changes hir self-image and sense of accountability. It also depends on how the separation changes hir connection to the greater mass of followers. (We won’t even get into the issue of whether the leader has wise or dubious criteria for selecting the “inner circle.”)
If, however, the energy loop created by leader and followers is not a closed system, but draws in energy from some other source, the above issues either will not arise or will be limited. If that energy source is the Ineffable or some lofty manifestation from it, the group appears more likely to grow into a viable, authentic and “true” spiritual community. And I’d suspect that when this is the case, it sometimes leads to the creation of something that lasts, in the form of a spiritual tradition or religion.
Of course, the open system leader-followers’ energy loop may also draw its energy from something very much lower than the Ineffable; this may also result in a tradition or religion with longevity, albeit one with more ambivalent, if not totally unsavory characteristics…
I’ll say no more about that because I simply do not know.
A Question of Labels: There’s “Cults” and…Then There’s Cults
And here I’d say, not all “cults” are cults in the pejorative sense. Some only get mistaken for the malignant cults we’re used to in the common dialogue. As suggested above, both the malignant cult and the beneficent one may at some point become religions. Moreover, some malignant cults, long after the negative cult-leader has died and hir memory has been replaced with an idealized isht-deva of the same name but with vastly more positive energies, transform into something a little more genuine, just like some genuine spiritual communities may degenerate and fall into entropy as the original connection to the Ineffable subsides or breaks down.
Some cults and some genuine groups both claim the same founder or the same god(s). That’s just on the level of “labels,” though. They aren’t really worshipping or emulating the same thing at all.
There are Cult Leaders and… Then There are Cult Leaders
And finally, I bring us back to costumeoff’s great insight:
The true enlightenment is not necessarily the state of illumination but how that knowledge and moment then informs your choices and actions thereafter. You could say that people who get hooked on psychoactive substances are confusing the map for the terrain just as much as any willing victim of dogma, and think those moments of personal insight are more important than what they do with them, until they aren’t capable of dealing with the responsibility which that knowledge charges them.
Just because someone’s a con-artist or cult leader doesn’t mean they can’t have a fully active neuro-somatic circuit. I’m not saying most cult leaders do. That’s doubtful. Most are just very good cons, with either an innate talent or developed skill at street hypnosis and mass psychology. But some cult leaders, I suspect, do have active neuro-somatic, maybe even higher, circuits of consciousness. That activation is no guarantee that they are psychologically or ethically grounded enough to do any good to themselves or others with it. And at those levels, when the “high” to be had as the object of devotion to so many people is so powerful, it’s no wonder so many become addicted to it, despite their so-called enlightenment. It’s no wonder, then, that so many choose to maintain their high in a destructive way, failing to accpet the obligation towards others that their enlightenment entails.
It’s no surprise to me, then, that most who will claim sainthood or higher spirituality or have it claimed for them are just cult leaders in the negative sense. Very, very few of them, even the one’s you might want to personally believe in, could possibly be the real deal. And most of us are not in any position to distinguish between the false and the real guru without lots of error, pain, suffering and time. Even then, we’re not guaranteed to develop the proper discernment. The odds appear against us here, I hazard to guess.
There are so few Faqir Chands and so very many Rajneesh/Oshos.
There are Cult Leaders…and then there are Cult Leaders. Only you can decide whether going down the path that might lead you to experience the difference is at all worth it.
Big thoughts.
> how that knowledge and moment then informs your choices and actions thereafter
Yes, I think this is very interesting. Brings to mind the word ‘mindblowing’: how do you act when your brain is dribbling out your ears? Some people get stuck with a given insight, or take years to move past it. Or maybe build a half-baked cult around it. Gaps in your worldview? Fill them in with dark charisma…
Personally I think the real deal is rooted in something approaching the ineffable (though I don’t know about ineffable exactly – in the beginning was the Word, right?). All else is vampirism of one form or another. As for a dark source that fuels the fakery of false prophets and advertising campaigns… well, I don’t know either but there’s definitely Something going on. It’s almost like there’s an invisible uber-cult that supports all the other darkness. I have a word for it, in my own head.
I don’t know the 8-circuit model but I do know a little of the field of ‘transactional analysis’ which also see the mind as a ’state machine’. (This from the only decent business skills training course I’ve ever attended.) Six basic states are proposed: three productive and three counter-productive. ‘Assertivess’, for example, then reduces to the (not so simple) task of triggering one of the three productive states.
Maybe there’s a link here: ‘how to act’ on connecting with something significant is not a trivial question. There could be a big hole in the ground waiting for the unwary.
I went to see a performance of the Shrew recently and it struck me this time as being all about this. Kate speaks truth to Petruchio’s power. Does she get away with it? Shakespeare is ambiguous, I think. My own ‘take’ is that one doesn’t have to /speak/ truth. It’s more like Douglas Adams’ ‘knowing where one’s towel is’. The truth does not need to be spoken to have power – and we’re back to the Ineffable. Words of power exist whether or not they are spoken. In the beginning was the Word…
Well, here is my take on this. I probably should develop my thoughts on this more because, I have been building a model in my head over the years that has become pretty complex and I haven’t written it down anywhere.
But mainly, this model I have deals with human caste systems. Everyone knows about the caste system in India, but the thing no one talks about are the ones that still exist today. This is because they aren’t supposed to exist because we live in the age of democracy.
So its kind of invisible to people.
But anyway, there is a caste system in more complex human societies, and I think some of these higher circuits are like “Royal Jelly” in a way and that most higher circuits don’t get activated for the majority of people.
You have to wonder about the human brain and how it could evolve all these capabilities, seemingly ahead of time.
That doesn’t strike me as how evolution works is supposed to work.
I think rather these circuits reman unused for most people because there has been a lot of atrophy and degeneration going on in order to fit the majority of people into very limited roles.
But anyway, people can be anarchists and everything, but that shouldn’t blind us to the fact that hierarchies exist and have existed for thousands of years and that most people are infantilized followers and sattelites of other people, organizations, etc.
This thinking is so prevalent that its hard to get inside the minds of cult leaders and similar people. Its hard to imagine highly intelligent and aware people, manipulating others in sophisticated ways.
But at the same time there is a lot of give and take. There is a strong desire in large numbers of people to be taken care of by powerful leaders. To use and overused example just look at the German people leading up to WWII a very civilized people, really in their hearts wanted a strong magical Father figure to take care of them.
Now that is an extreme, but I think the reason we have a tendency to look at all cults and similar structures as pathological, is because of bias on the part of freethinking people.
I mean Anne Coulter wrote five NY Time best sellers. How many did Robert Anton Wilson write?
I am just saying realistically, its probably not helpful to look at most humans on the globe as pathological. I mean, would it be helpful to look at most insects, fish, etc. as being pathological?
Just a quick example, No politician that appeals to peoples intelligence will ever get elected to office.
Caste systems and hierarchies exist, yes. I don’t see any disagreement between us there.
Anarchy is already the state we live in. Most of us don’t realize it. That’s to the benefit of those at the top of artificial hierarchies.
Hierarchies existing between consciously free and relatively equal agents who recognize each other as such remain temporary and fluid–existing, then not existing, then existing again should the parties decide it is to their benefit.
Only one natural hierarchy remains permanent–but to call it a hierarchy is already to enter into distortion.
“Pathological” is a meaningless jargon term to me. It’s psychologese; DSM IV pretty much categorizes any possible human behavior or mindset as pathological or at the very least “neurotic”, which is pretty good for sustaining the economic growth potential of the “mental health” industry.
Now, to say most humans share the same general weaknesses and perceptual distortions based upon the structure of their societies and the way they currently relate (mostly without consciousness of how they do it and that they have a choice to do it differently)…I don’t see that as unhelpful unless you a) fail to consider yourself in that category and b) you’re content to simply talk about it and never attempt to do anything to change the ways you get in your own way. You don’t need to beat yourself up about it, just get on with the business of living a better life and being a real human. You’re gonna fall a lot and you will need the insights and support of others a long the way, but it has to be on your terms (and you have to figure out what exactly your terms really are–in the process, you’ll start to figure out who the hell “you” really are).
The fish and insects thing: that’s just plain silly, Ted. I see where you’re going with it, but the situation is only superficially similar.
Yes, I’m prodding you.
Well, the fish and insects may be a stretch, but I think people overlook the fact that with, say mammals, there may be traumatization going on with individuals in their social relationships. Even if these social relationships have existed for millions of years. Animals fighting and killing each other traumatize each other.
At least this is the way I have thought in the past. I assumed that everything mammals did was “natural” and that only “unnatural” relationsips caused suffering. Like for example farm animals suffering because they live in captivity.
I am thinking suffering is built into the system and has been from the beginning. Humans cause suffering to each other and to other animals, and animals cause each other to suffer.
I think there is no way around this. This problem of suffering has led me away from seeing anarcho -primitivism as an adequate solution to human problems.
This problem of suffering has led me to posit a more real, world beyond. I have been highly influenced in this regard by an Gnostic essay by Phillip K Dick. “cosmology and cosmonogy”
http://homoplasmate.blogspot.com/2005/05/cosmogony-and-cosmology.html
But getting back to the question of leaders, and social structures, I think in any human social structure, their will be competition, exploitation and manipulation built into the system as long as we are mammals living within the limitations of Space time.
I think in the best system there are trade offs and sacrifices, even in trying to create a sytem that maximizes peoples potentials to the highest degree possible.
I think the best leaders need to take this type of “neccessary evil” into account.
Physical suffering is built into the system. Why come to a gnostic conclusion upon that as opposed to a Mahayana Buddhist one, say?
Gnosticism is a pretty powerful and subtle map…it’s pointing to a big truth, maybe not THE truth, though. I’m still highly sympathetic to classical gnostic cosmology (it’s kind of the original “conspiracy theory” in many ways). I suspect there’s something beyond it, though: a more complete and balanced map of what the hey is goin’ on.
Don’t ask me “what” that map is, but the intuition that it exists has taken me away from even Phil Dick’s personal gnostic-faith.
I enjoyed this article very much. I agree that suffering has beeen built into the system but there will be a point in the future where I think we will pass an imaginary line. When this happens suffering will only be a choice. Think hard about this one and you will eventually see what I mean. This will only be a choice for man not animals or other forms of life on earth.
We will become so super aware that we simply will not accept suffering as part of our reality .
Suffering–mental and emotional suffering–is already simply a choice. Each individual, however, has to work very hard to realize that and act upon the truth of it in hir daily life. When each one of us gets down to the business of doing that for ourselves (and yes, along the way you need lots of help and good examples), then we’ll be on our way.
This kind of suffering seems to be built into the system…It’s like a programming error. Except each of us is a programmer and can learn to correct it and eliminate it.
As for physical suffering–that’s built into the system, but in a different way and I don’t think it’s going to ever completely disappear, nor should it. It’s beneficial. I’d hate to not suffer when my head is on fire because by the time I smelled what was going on, it might be too late!
in some people sufferation can make or break them ,,it can be the catylyst for good or bad,, it seems to me thats its experience through direct perception thats the common goal of matter beings or rather finer energy trapped in lower energy..
Rex Mundi from the gnostic cathars myth created an imperfect universe from his imperfect priinciples ,,where no life exists without the death or suffering of other life ,,that can even be said for a blade of grass competing for light and space with other blades of grass.
But as the rastas say ” you must deal with your livety” you must live a life in this imperfection and suffering ,,and as none of us can truely hand on heart understand why we are trapped here probably the best course of action would be to face suffering ,heartache and pain head on with acceptance rather than to fashion a life which minimises suffering. To seek suffering is spiritual suicide but dont run and hide from it.