Comments on: 10 Books That Began Your Journey Down the Rabbit-hole http://cadeveo.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/10-books-that-began-your-journey-down-the-rabbit-hole/ magic & realism, high weirdness & conspiracy, & everyday life Sat, 05 Jul 2008 00:08:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: cadeveo http://cadeveo.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/10-books-that-began-your-journey-down-the-rabbit-hole/#comment-5833 cadeveo Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:33:18 +0000 http://cadeveo.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/10-books-that-began-your-journey-down-the-rabbit-hole/#comment-5833 Your take on Frazier is inaccurate. Yes, he was not a field anthropoligist. He did not do any studies out in the field himself, but he didn't "concoct" his ten volumes of Golden Bough out his ass. He built upon the available research, writings, and notes of others and then drew his own conclusions and comparisions. He was a synthesizer and theorizer of great insight, originality and talent (given his obvious early 20th century biases) and that's where the Golden Bough is still incredibly valuable and relevant. I'm fine if you think Frazier's conclusions are suspect, but to suggest he didn't do his research...I gotta shake my head at that one. Your take on Frazier is inaccurate. Yes, he was not a field anthropoligist. He did not do any studies out in the field himself, but he didn’t “concoct” his ten volumes of Golden Bough out his ass. He built upon the available research, writings, and notes of others and then drew his own conclusions and comparisions. He was a synthesizer and theorizer of great insight, originality and talent (given his obvious early 20th century biases) and that’s where the Golden Bough is still incredibly valuable and relevant.

I’m fine if you think Frazier’s conclusions are suspect, but to suggest he didn’t do his research…I gotta shake my head at that one.

]]> By: Bladerunner http://cadeveo.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/10-books-that-began-your-journey-down-the-rabbit-hole/#comment-5831 Bladerunner Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:26:01 +0000 http://cadeveo.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/10-books-that-began-your-journey-down-the-rabbit-hole/#comment-5831 Very laudable choice with one exeption. Frazer's Golden Bough was made up. He did no actual research but concocted it at home. Pretty much a fraud. Robert Anton Wilson shows incredible insight and humour. Very laudable choice with one exeption. Frazer’s Golden Bough was made up. He did no actual research but concocted it at home. Pretty much a fraud. Robert Anton Wilson shows incredible insight and humour.

]]> By: Cross-Media + Transmedia Entertainment » Blog Archive » "10 Books That Began Your Journey Down the Rabbit-Hole" http://cadeveo.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/10-books-that-began-your-journey-down-the-rabbit-hole/#comment-2226 Cross-Media + Transmedia Entertainment » Blog Archive » "10 Books That Began Your Journey Down the Rabbit-Hole" Wed, 03 Oct 2007 08:01:06 +0000 http://cadeveo.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/10-books-that-began-your-journey-down-the-rabbit-hole/#comment-2226 [...] Check it out Share and Enjoy: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...] [...] Check it out Share and Enjoy: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]

]]> By: It’s All About How You’re Taught to Read It « Waking the Midnight Sun http://cadeveo.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/10-books-that-began-your-journey-down-the-rabbit-hole/#comment-2160 It’s All About How You’re Taught to Read It « Waking the Midnight Sun Sat, 29 Sep 2007 17:07:46 +0000 http://cadeveo.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/10-books-that-began-your-journey-down-the-rabbit-hole/#comment-2160 [...] 29th, 2007 by cadeveo I recently wrote a piece soliciting a list of the 10 Books that first began readers’ and conspiracy researchers’ journey down the rabbit hole of [...] [...] 29th, 2007 by cadeveo I recently wrote a piece soliciting a list of the 10 Books that first began readers’ and conspiracy researchers’ journey down the rabbit hole of [...]

]]> By: Lotus http://cadeveo.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/10-books-that-began-your-journey-down-the-rabbit-hole/#comment-2058 Lotus Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:37:07 +0000 http://cadeveo.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/10-books-that-began-your-journey-down-the-rabbit-hole/#comment-2058 I can't believe no one's mentioned 1984 yet. From the meme of re-writing history, to false-flag attacks, and a system of total control over humanity, to why torture is stupid, this book has it all. Not exactly a book, but Steve Jackson's Illuminati conspiracy card game is pretty darn cool, partly what got me interested in the eye-in-the-pyramid symbol. I can’t believe no one’s mentioned 1984 yet. From the meme of re-writing history, to false-flag attacks, and a system of total control over humanity, to why torture is stupid, this book has it all.

Not exactly a book, but Steve Jackson’s Illuminati conspiracy card game is pretty darn cool, partly what got me interested in the eye-in-the-pyramid symbol.

]]> By: speedbird http://cadeveo.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/10-books-that-began-your-journey-down-the-rabbit-hole/#comment-1972 speedbird Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:32:53 +0000 http://cadeveo.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/10-books-that-began-your-journey-down-the-rabbit-hole/#comment-1972 What's 'Bone' about? Hm. Well, I'll have a go just for you :-) For starters, it's a graphic novel with wonderful artwork. The original is B&W but there's a colorized version now which isn't half bad in my humble opinion. Fone Bone, Phoney Bone and Smiley Bone are not-entirely-human characters from the big city who find their way into a somewhat-fairytale valley populated by real humans, inscrutable dragons, talking animals and scary rat-like creatures with pale bubous eyes. There they meet the beautiful Thorn, her Gran'ma Rose Ben, who races cows and also /races cows/, and Lucius Down, who owns the local drinking house. But dark forces are moving in this rural idyll, involving locusts, Moby Dick, and the things you see in your dreams... I guess it's all about what it means to be human, once again. But also what it means to be 'real', and what it means to be 'good'. Big ol' scary themes. There's moments when you just fetch up against a precipice, not just a rabbit hole, when you just stare at the page and think 'yikes!'. (Like, for starters, every time the question 'what /is/ Fone Bone?' comes to the surface like some sort of Zen koan.) OK, enough rave for now :-) Some other honourable mentions: Richard Adams, 'Watership Down' which is about rabbits in the same way as NIMH is about mice... Fritjof Capra, 'The Hidden Conncetions': made me think hard about what might be meant by 'consciousness' and 'self'. What’s ‘Bone’ about?

Hm.

Well, I’ll have a go just for you :-)

For starters, it’s a graphic novel with wonderful artwork. The original is B&W but there’s a colorized version now which isn’t half bad in my humble opinion.

Fone Bone, Phoney Bone and Smiley Bone are not-entirely-human characters from the big city who find their way into a somewhat-fairytale valley populated by real humans, inscrutable dragons, talking animals and scary rat-like creatures with pale bubous eyes. There they meet the beautiful Thorn, her Gran’ma Rose Ben, who races cows and also /races cows/, and Lucius Down, who owns the local drinking house.

But dark forces are moving in this rural idyll, involving locusts, Moby Dick, and the things you see in your dreams…

I guess it’s all about what it means to be human, once again. But also what it means to be ‘real’, and what it means to be ‘good’. Big ol’ scary themes. There’s moments when you just fetch up against a precipice, not just a rabbit hole, when you just stare at the page and think ‘yikes!’. (Like, for starters, every time the question ‘what /is/ Fone Bone?’ comes to the surface like some sort of Zen koan.)

OK, enough rave for now :-)

Some other honourable mentions:

Richard Adams, ‘Watership Down’ which is about rabbits in the same way as NIMH is about mice…

Fritjof Capra, ‘The Hidden Conncetions’: made me think hard about what might be meant by ‘consciousness’ and ’self’.

]]> By: Surfing the Tao » Notes from the Surf XI http://cadeveo.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/10-books-that-began-your-journey-down-the-rabbit-hole/#comment-1937 Surfing the Tao » Notes from the Surf XI Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:47:06 +0000 http://cadeveo.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/10-books-that-began-your-journey-down-the-rabbit-hole/#comment-1937 [...] to you who responded with book suggestions on my last post; check out this post from Waking the Midnight Sun for titles that started the journey down the rabbit [...] [...] to you who responded with book suggestions on my last post; check out this post from Waking the Midnight Sun for titles that started the journey down the rabbit [...]

]]> By: HCE http://cadeveo.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/10-books-that-began-your-journey-down-the-rabbit-hole/#comment-1914 HCE Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:52:04 +0000 http://cadeveo.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/10-books-that-began-your-journey-down-the-rabbit-hole/#comment-1914 Cadeveo, We'll have to discuss our "experiences" off-list if you don't mind. I may have said too much already. Last two honorable mentions: Mind and Nature by Gregory Bateson: The single dense-est, most difficult book I've ever read. Forget Gravity's Rainbow, Ulysses or Finnegans Wake. And this is NON-fiction to boot. Mind boggling in an entirely different way. The Book of the Subgenius: I'm not kidding. Absolute truth hidden in utter bullshit and funny as hell. You've convinced me Speedbird - I'm going to check out Bone today. HCE Cadeveo,

We’ll have to discuss our “experiences” off-list if you don’t mind. I may have said too much already.

Last two honorable mentions:

Mind and Nature by Gregory Bateson: The single dense-est, most difficult book I’ve ever read. Forget Gravity’s Rainbow, Ulysses or Finnegans Wake. And this is NON-fiction to boot.
Mind boggling in an entirely different way.

The Book of the Subgenius: I’m not kidding. Absolute truth hidden in utter bullshit and funny as hell.

You’ve convinced me Speedbird -
I’m going to check out Bone today.

HCE

]]> By: cadeveo http://cadeveo.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/10-books-that-began-your-journey-down-the-rabbit-hole/#comment-1910 cadeveo Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:48:18 +0000 http://cadeveo.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/10-books-that-began-your-journey-down-the-rabbit-hole/#comment-1910 The Descartes book sounds up my alley, speedbird. Rats of NIHM makes total sense to me as a rabbit-hole/brain changer book. What's Bone all about? The Descartes book sounds up my alley, speedbird. Rats of NIHM makes total sense to me as a rabbit-hole/brain changer book. What’s Bone all about?

]]> By: speedbird http://cadeveo.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/10-books-that-began-your-journey-down-the-rabbit-hole/#comment-1908 speedbird Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:43:03 +0000 http://cadeveo.wordpress.com/2007/09/15/10-books-that-began-your-journey-down-the-rabbit-hole/#comment-1908 What was I thinking leaving this one out? 10. Robert C. O'Brien, 'Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH'. Unlikely, I know. But this one runs SO deep. It's about... well, what is it about? It's about what makes us human, I guess. No, I can't say what that is. I guess you'll have to read it. 'Z' for Zacharaiah, too. What was I thinking leaving this one out?

10. Robert C. O’Brien, ‘Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH’. Unlikely, I know. But this one runs SO deep. It’s about… well, what is it about? It’s about what makes us human, I guess. No, I can’t say what that is. I guess you’ll have to read it. ‘Z’ for Zacharaiah, too.

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